Sunday, June 10, 2012

Trading Corrective Move - a cristal clear setup

Since last week I have been visualizing the future price move to be intra-week bullish (YTC PAT teach how to visualize the future price move)


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On the last paragraph of the post:
http://trading-price-action.blogspot.com/2012/06/1671-pips-on-june-1st-creative.html

I've been expecting both GBPUSD and EURUSD to have an intra-week bullish move.

"But seeing the M15 chart I was thinking of a short term future price visualization for the next week. Base on the large pile of Buy at this demand area, next Monday i would expect an intra-week bullish move that preceded by a stop hunt low to test the low, straight long trade, or a gap-up price then fill the gap to test the low. Here is where LST and FMM (Klik the link if you aren't familiar with it) play their part but we already know what to expect. Lets see them prove themselves."

They were indeed bullish:
 EURUSD H1 (240 Pips Weekly Range):

 GBPUSD H1 (270 Pips Weekly Range):
   
And the bearish move on Thursday - Friday has also been pre-analyze. Look at the comment on the above mentioned post.

"Since the early week Both EURUSD and GBPUSD indeed move bullish as have been visualized (Monday up, Tuesday correction, Wednesday Up)

As of June 6th, end of US session EURUSD halted by Supply Area while GBPUSD has been halted before US session and made choppy topping formation.

On D1 EueUsd has seen a potential Bearish hidden divergence, means if tomorrow the price reverse down then it would be a bearish resume of a D1 bear.

Align with D1, both H4 and H1 has also showing a potential Bearish Regular divergence, means if the price reverse down then it would be a reversal for H4 and H1

While on M15, EurUsd made a last thrust and halted by a Supply area. If tomorrow M15 reverse down then it would validate the premises for H1, H4 and D1.

Price must turn Bearish around this point to validate the divergence state. Otherwise, if a sentiment occurred and pulled price up that also pulled the divergence away then the divergence setup would be invalidated since H1 H4 and D1 is just a potential divergence, not valid yet.

But seeing all aspect aligned I am strongly believe that my premises would be true.

Remember though, anything could happen. Lets see the market reveal it self.

And:

"GbpUsd has also showing the same state but the sign on EurUsd were clearer. Tomorrow might be what Steve Mauro called a Mid - Week reversal"

They were indeed reversed down for 180 Pips (EURUSD) and 200 Pips (GBPUSD).

But even both pairs bullish it doesn't mean there would be no short opportunity. At least there were 2 short opportunity along the way when the price made corrective on both EURUSD and GBPUSD.

On June 5th EURUSD made sharp corrective:
Well, do not mind about the pips gain (but if you curious zoom the top right hand side to the real time pips gain indicator and count your self). I don't want anyone called me boasting my Pips gain anymore. I was thinking that the Pips gain shown by the indicator on the top right chart was enough.

The point here is, during a bullish move there would be a corrective and the corrective move will always steep like a falling rock, but it must be seek carefully. 

As I have always said, during a strong trend the price would diverge several time before actually reverse. The price were rejected by a SUPPLY area created on May 29. On MMM template it was two pins/shooting star to the blue/yesterday high and S1 at the same place. Yet I took the first short after the price broke down the Trend Line the back to test the broken trend line with the second pin (Hector's - Free Trend Collapse).
Steve Mauro might call this a CRYSTAL CLEAR SETUP but he failed to make it clear to his student. Newbie of MMM would try to catch all the M/W formation thinking that he/she caught the top/bottom. 

Vladimir would have probably did the same thing. He put less explanation on the confirmation required after a Divergence setup emerged. He only said that any familiar clarification would be required. Anything that the user familiar with such as Trend Line and Support/Resistance. He put less importance that this point is the difference between life and death.

See how many times divergence occurred yet no reversal. If trader rely the entry solely on divergence they would wipe their account. 

"Divergence should only be treated as SETUP while ENTRY should not be taken based on divergence but by the PRICE it self"

On the other hand Russ Horn's Forex Master Method did a better job to give teaching on divergence knowledge.

On EURUSD trade above, I was tighten my stop right above the ADR low (Thick red line) but as I see a second failed test to the DEMAND area I exit all position and wait for a retrace to have re entry.

It was a hidden bearish divergence by Stochastic so I enter 2 units, about 5 to 9 Pips of the high. The stop was above the swing high but as a see candle close with a hammer and a potential regular bullish divergence on Stoc I tightend the stop (see the red dashed line, the picture taken while the second stop haven't been moved). The stop was hit by -1 and -2 Pips.

SEE,,, Why still anyone accused me of hiding my loosing trade. I've shown some of the loosing trade. Just like the following trade:
As have been spotted, it was a Regular Bullish divergence so I enter 2 units on the second failed attempt to test the low that leave the second Hammer. New trader should have not done this unless understand the price action. 

See M1 chart for better Price Action reading. Additional 1 unit long when the price took off and broke the trend line (it is the safest entry). Later I did a stupid mistake breaking my own rule "Never chasing the price". The last green bar on M15 was a quick move. I jumped in with 1 unit long just later to see the price action on M1. 

Look at the three pins to the high. That told me that the move up is going to failed. I was aware that the bullish divergence was still valid and nothing to halt the price to move up. If only I hadn't enter the last Long I would still hold the stop under the swing low of M15 and I would not have adjusted my stop to the last swing low of M1.

The stop was to tight. The price just move lower than the swing low of M1 chart by 1 Pip, just to take out my stop then move up nicely, as Steve Mauro called "BACK INTO THE RANGE", for about 50 Pips.

I was stopped out for about 10, 9, 5 and -13 Pips. See that,,, it was a loosing trade but still small profit.

The same situation also on GBPUSD, June 5th but i didn't take any trade since GBPUSD was move wildly:

Another trading on Corrective move also spotted on June 6th, EURUSD and GBPUSD:


See that all the teaching material (Price action, YTC PAT, Al Brooks, Vladimir's LST, Sam Seiden Supply and Demand, Steve Mauro's MMM, Russ Horns's FMM, etc) work hand in hand in trading.

32 comments:

  1. Hi,
    I had great difficulties relating your text descriptions to the pictures. In future, do you mind if you label the areas of interest with #1 #2 #3 etc so I can know where on which day or which session you were explaining about? Because I believe you are referring to June 7th but you mistakenly posted "June 6th" because EU and GU did not reverse on June 6th. Also, you wrote "..... While on M15, EurUsd made a last thrust and halted by a Supply area. If tomorrow M15 reverse down then it would validate the premises for H1, H4 and D1." Without pointing out where on the chart, there is no way for us to understand where is the last thrust and where is the halted by Supply area and more importantly, on which day?? Tomorrow can be Monday since we are weekends now. But apparently you meant "tomorrow" to mean either Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday. but hard to tell which day. The June 5th picture and text was very clear, thanks, since it relates. But the earlier explanation was difficult to read because we don't know where on the chart, and on which day, including the typo "June 6th" you are talking about. I hope you will consider adding #1 #2 #3 #4 on the pictures so we can refer better between the text and the pictures. sorry for the long post but I really wanted to learn from you, but it is very hard to understand and follow when I cannot relate the text to the pictures. Yes, you provided many pictures, but which is the correct explanation for which chart?? I think I know but I'm not sure. I can only guess since you did not point which chart was the "last thrust" or "retracement" or "correction". It is very hard to read.

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    1. Sorry for the confusion resulted from my explanation. But see the time and date. The post was made on Sunday while the comment on June 6th (one day before the reversal)

      The posted on ...
      http://trading-price-action.blogspot.com/2012/06/1671-pips-on-june-1st-creative.html

      ... that visualize the next intra-week bullish move was created on Sunday June 3rd (the explanation of each chart is the paragraph under each picture),

      But,,,, The comment below that post which visualize the June 7th reversal was made during US session on June 6th (look at the time/date of comments) which I said Tomorrow (I mean the reversal should be watch closely on June 7th), so it related to no picture,

      and there were no chart on MT4 yet as it was a visualization and no chart explaining the situation on June 6th posted as it was a comment (I was expecting reader to look at their chart)

      Maybe my mistake assuming everyone familiar with several term like; - Last thrust and Volume Climax (Volume Spread Analysis), Sam Seiden explaining a rally in to the SupDem area but he has no special term on it.
      - Corrective pattern. Elliot Wave international and Reading Bar by Bar explain the form of motive and corrective.
      - In STAR we differentiate the term Retrace and pullback (here I should treated them the same)

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    2. Your post is on Sunday and your LAST post is last Sunday right? So in between there is no post for Thursday and Friday. But you said your analysis for "tomorrow" which is misleading because your posts were Sunday to Sunday. If you have Forex Rebellion manual, you can see how the author label his charts 1 2 3 4 5 6 a b c d e f so the reader can understand where you are talking about. See, you jump from M1 to M5 to M15 and even H1 and D1. How to follow your explanations? You assumed that the reader have your notes on Thursday and Friday, which you did not post until Sunday. I will try to re-read again. This is getting very tiring.

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    3. The mentioned post:
      http://trading-price-action.blogspot.com/2012/06/1671-pips-on-june-1st-creative.html

      were made on Sunday 3rd, that visualize the intra-week bullish move

      The comment under the post was made on June 6th, look at the date. The comment anticipate the possible reversal/bearish move for tomorrow (Friday, June 7th)

      Sorry for the trouble

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    4. Additionally, the comment clearly written:

      " .... As of June 6th, end of US session EURUSD halted by Supply Area while GBPUSD has been halted before US session and made choppy topping formation..."

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    5. Well said. But English may not be his first language so you really have to read between the lines to understand the text. Also he referenced alot on "FMM" "LST" "YTC-PAT" which just makes it more difficult to understand. The first question is: What the hell is "FMM" "LST" "YTC-PAT"? And the next question is: What does it mean when "FMM" "LST" "YTC-PAT" is mentioned? There are no glossary or any means to understand how to relate these terms to the chart.

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    6. Click on the Yellow Links, it leads you to the respective material:

      FMM is Russ Horn's Forex Master Method. Learn only this system, follow the rule, and you are far ahead

      LST is Vladimir's Forex LST System

      YTC-PAT is Lance Begss's YTC-PAT

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  2. Ok, I think I figured out the "tomorrow" actually meant Friday. Then the date is wrong when you wrote "June 6th". It is all very confusing if you don't label the charts to the text.

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    1. No I'm not.

      The comment made on Wednesday June 6th during US session. I said tomorrow (Thursday June 7th), indeed both EURUSD and GBPUSD reversed on Thursday during US session.

      I don't know it time setting on Google could make a very far different but I don't think would make one day difference. That's why I always said Asian Session and US session.

      If you understand Steve Mauro's MMM you would notice the 2 gray boxes. The first boxes for Asian and the second for US session. Convert the time for your area.

      It's also good to zoom in the chart and see the date at the bottom of the chart.

      All the explanations are right under each charts, later I would make respective label. Thank you for the advice

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  3. Here is another example where you tried to explain with your kind heart, but unfortunately your reader is lost. You wrote: "Yet I took the first short after the price broke down the Trend Line the back to test the broken trend line with the second pin ....".
    The reader would first have to know where is your entry?? Where is the trendline that price broke down?? Where is the area where price came back (I assume go up) to test the broken trend line?? Where is the broken trendline?? Where is the "second pin"?? On which timeframe chart is the second pin? M1, M5, M15?? I know you pour your hearts out writing and spending the weekends on these fabulous charts. But if the reader don't know where is where and where to look to understand where is the area, then it is very very hard. I just need to know where is the "second pin" and I can figure out the rest of the puzzle. I don't think I need to know where is the trendline and the broken trendline. No way to see it.

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    1. I should have put a circle on the area.

      Look at the third Chart from the top. I related my explanation to M15 Chart. On the chart there are 2 gray dashed lines. The 1st line crossed from top left to right while the second line crossed from bottom left to top right.

      I related the broken trend line to the second line. The action occurred around the last 2 hours of Asian session. Look at the un-solid box of Asian Session where Aqua line crossed down the 2nd Trend Line.

      The first Shooting Star (SM short both Shooting Star and Hammer to Pin)has it low at the trend line. The price crossed down the TL then retrace up to test the Broken trend line with the 2nd Shooting Star that has its high right on the Trend Line.

      Look that the first entry (yellow dashed line) was taken at the pin of the 2nd Shooting Star. If I only watch the M15 chart I would have made the entry under this shooting star.

      Since I know what I was expecting and the price action validate the premises in every step I have taken the entry on M1 Chart. Now see the M1 chart (Top Left)

      M15 just showing a Shooting star but M1 depict the pins more clear. The Pin of the shooting Star on M15 was created by the quick falling of the last 4 bars of M1 (lets call them bar 11 to 15 of M1). This situation called by Steve Mauro "In back of the hours" but price action would call this a strong and quick rejection, means some one (Big Money) is doing something.

      Still M1, while bar 1 to 4 created a strong bullish move, the bar 5 - 10 of M1 halted by the Trend line on M15. I was waiting for the right time to enter.

      Bar 11 of M1 broke down the consolidation of bar 5 -10. Bar 12 made a nice follow trough (David Weis - Catching Trend Reversal) so I place the first entry (look at the first top yellow line on M1)

      See that, decision made in first 10 second of bar 12 M1. This was not a stress free or set and forget trading system. But count the pips from the entry to the high of the Shooting Star. Mostly it was less than 5 Pips + 2 pips spread and I could have a 7 pips stop loss (better add extra pips, occasionally GBPUSD made a retrace that slightly beyond the swing to take the stop but rarely happen on EURUSD).

      I don't mind placing a big lots in this situation and I don't mind a stop hunt took my 7 pips Stop in such situation (I never had it).

      Count it with Position Sizing Calculator.

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  4. "Look at the three pins to the high. That told me that the move up is going to failed." It is a communications problem and failure to connect with your reader. You know where you are thinking and talking about. But you did not point to the target for the reader to follow. It's like you are very clear where to shoot the gun. But you did not tell your reader where to aim. Where is the "three pins to the high"? Which chart to look for them, and which time of day London US Asian to look for the three pins? You know where you are talking about, but you have to translate that thinking to a location where your reader can follow. Right now, it is a failure to connect to your reader. It is not because people are not interested in your reasoning and thinking behind the trades. It is because of poor communication and reader unable to connect between the text and the pictures. Where where and where ..... is the main problem.

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    1. I meant the M1 chart.

      Well, I'll re-upload with the circle

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    2. But for now I would just re-paste the full paragraph. I was clearly directing to M1 chart.

      " .... See M1 chart for better Price Action reading. Additional 1 unit long when the price took off and broke the trend line (it is the safest entry). Later I did a stupid mistake breaking my own rule "Never chasing the price". The last green bar on M15 was a quick move. I jumped in with 1 unit long just later to see the price action on M1.

      Look at the three pins to the high. That told me that the move up is going to failed. I was aware that the bullish divergence was still valid and nothing to halt the price to move up. If only I hadn't enter the last Long I would still hold the stop under the swing low of M15 and I would not have adjusted my stop to the last swing low of M1."

      The second paragraph still lead to M1 chart

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  5. Maybe you can circle the area with Magenta color, and number #1 or #2 and refer to the circled area in the text.

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  6. It is very very very difficult to read ..... I'm lost again as I tried to re-read your explanations. I give up! You wrote alot and with kind heart ..... but unfortunately I cannot understand where and where to look to understand your kind words. It is very very hard .....

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    1. Ok, its done. I re-uploaded 2 pics with yellow circle that localize the area of interest.

      Well, you are correct that I talked all the time assuming that reader are familiar with MMM SupDem etc (I expect them anyway)

      For example, many times I said Supply/Demand Area. If you zoom in the chart you would see Solid filled gray box for Sup/Dem that haven't re-touched while empty gray box for Sup/Dem that has been re-touched. I set the color to dim-gray so it would not messing my chart.

      Please,,,Please,, Learn the concept of Supply and Demand by Sam Seiden. The Supdem_V2 also worked very nice. It worked all the time better than S/R line. If not bouncing at least it halting the price.

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  7. By the way The SUPPLY area that rejected the price on EURUSD M15 June-5th has turn to un-solid box. The Picture of M15 (3rd from top post) only leaving a solid gray line right under the Upper ADR of June 5th (Upper Solid Red Line).

    It was the bar right on Asian start Box that touch the SUPPLY area by 1 or 2 pips then rejected strongly (Leaving Pin/wick). This Pin created an Orange (Strong) Divergence line.

    Applying Sam Seiden strategy correctly has given you a big trade.

    As well ass applying Trend Collapse solely result big trade also.

    But applying Divergence solely would kill you.

    But see how power full a trade would be if they work hand in hand.

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  8. You wrote: "And the bearish move on Thursday - Friday has also been pre-analyze. Look at the comment on the above mentioned post."
    Where is that above mentioned post? There were no blog posts on Thursday and Friday, you only posted on Sunday. If you meant previous Sunday, then how can you have predicted Thursday and Friday which happened after 4-5 days. Did you intend to post on Thursday but did not? Because your "tomorrow" is also very confusing.

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    1. The post is:
      http://trading-price-action.blogspot.com/2012/06/1671-pips-on-june-1st-creative.html

      its on the 4th line of this post. The post made on Sunday June 3rd that anticipate the intra-week bullish move.

      Low of the post there were 2 comments made on Wednesday June 6th that anticipate the possible bearish reversal for tomorrow (Thursday June 7th), I think the date are shown above the comment.

      I have replied the same question again and again. Please look carefully, and if possible open your MT4 (if that would not be a difficult request) if you relly wanted to learn)

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  9. Help me.. What the indicator that show Trade in pips on scrinshots?

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    1. It is a default Steve Mauro's MMM template's indicator: !SM_BPCT.ex4

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  10. Your post is really good providing good information.. I liked it and enjoyed reading it. Keep sharing such important posts.

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  11. hello sir, its rare to see such persons spending time to educate others, i am so happy that u r here. can i get ur mail to contact.. i have several doubts nd i need some inspiration from you..

    many thanks

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  12. sir please i would like to have a good contact with you. this is my mail id dhfxxx.new@gmail.com
    i just dont want to miss some valuable lessons please

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  13. sir please i really want to have a good contact with you. the thing is i just dont want to miss some valuable lessons. my mail id is dhfxxx.new@gmail.com

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  15. Hi,
    Thanks for providing insight like this. I purchased Steve Mauro's course, Forex Master Method (FX Rebellion), Vladimir's LST system, so we have much in common. They all integrate very nicely. Tell me something, please. I got a refund for the LST system because at the time, I didn't like that Vladimir didn't provide the moving averages with his LST divergence indicator...just the histogram. The moving averages provide great signals, as shown by Russ Horn. Yet Russ' indicator isn't very good when it comes to divergence. Divergence is very hard to program, from what I understand. But I felt Vladimir fell short because he didn't provide the moving averages or the divergent signals you get with the moving averages. There are often times divergence showing with the moving averages, yet not with the histogram, and vice versa. But I see that there are moving averages on your indicator...yet no signals. Did Vladimir now include the moving averages? Does he provide signals with them or did he just include them without the signals? Also, is there a version of this to download? I looked at investasi and see a version 3.0, but it's just an upgrade, not an "educated" version. Your response would be greatly appreciated.
    God Bless-
    William

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  16. - Vladimir never use MAs in his Indicator. I don't use LST or FMM divergence indicator anymore as the clutter my chart in viewing Price Action. Version 3.0 was just the enabling of chose between displaying divergence line just on the extreme area or every area.
    - I take divergence in to account but never base my entry on divergence. Almost Every natural trend reversal preceded by divergence but not every divergence lead to reversal. Divergence means two things, could be slowing momentum or strong move. Therefore only take divergence if confluence with Price Action.

    In strong price move (sign by: MA or Trend Line fanning-out) the price is divergent several time before actually reverse. Therefore Never take divergence in strong price move because trend, indeed, tend to resume.

    Divergence indicator clutter my chart. If you understand the reality behind divergence and how divergence occurred then you could see the slowing of the momentum without indicator

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  17. It's great to see some in depth discussion on trading price.. I agree with the previous poster on the subject of divergence-- just focus on the concept, not the indicator. It's easy to spot without the indicator after getting familiar with the charts, as it's not telling you anything that you can't see on your own.

    Also, has this blog been discontinued? That would be unfortunate.. high quality material here

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